we have nav, we have money and an economy. when a very different situation than the founders ever were or ever could've imagined, but we still have those two inclinations. are we about to foreign policy to protect her interests quite are we involved in foreign policy to project ideology into the world? >> guest: >> host: were not in the dispensable nation. 25 years after the creation of the constitution not too far from here come the paper and the white house that the country very much at risk. so the people that you write about in the book, the contemporary authors, how do they translate or try to train late with the frankenstein set to contemporary debates about foreign policy in iraq, afghanistan? >> guest: a lot of to quote washington's farewell address and say we should be involved. there tends to be a very nativist echoing through those folks and that discourse. >> host: what you mean by nativist? >> guest: let the world friday we just need to pull back and take care of ourselves. i don't sense among the contemporary con